Examining the Pros and Cons of Armed Ride-Share Drivers

Welcome to the secured podcast. I'm Mike Matranga coming to you from the ASSA security studio. Today, we have the ASAP security president and owner, Mike Muncive, and we're gonna talk to you about a few things that we've seen in the news here recently, in particular, one that we saw today on Fox News called Black Wolf. Black wolf. Black Wolf. So Black Wolf is, similar to a, Uber rideshare application. That just launched in Atlanta. Within a week, they had eighty thousand people download the application. Why don't you tell us a little bit about Wolf and how it separates itself from Lyft and other rideshare, companies like Uber. So according to the CEO of Black Wolf, very similar as far as the functionality and the requesting of a ride, like you would with a with an Uber or a Lyft app. However, you can request a driver who is armed. And so know, I wanted to talk about it because there's there's pros and cons to this. And I know on the surface, sounds pretty good. Right? Like, you know, hey, yeah, I'm gonna have a driver there and, you know, he's he's gonna have a gun. But as somebody who is former law enforcement who carried a duty weapon. Uh-huh. And, you know, many of the, Uber drivers today have full time gigs or jobs, and they, they do this for extra money. Right? So I think in the interviews is that we actually saw, today, the CEO said that he had been contacted by a slew of officers already. So, you know, it makes makes you wonder about a whole host of question. Yeah. I as a as a, a newly licensed officer employed by an agency, and you are now doing this side gig of driving on a rideshare app. Picking up who knows who. And where's your duty to protect begin and end? Absolutely. You know, and I think that's, you know, part of me wants to think that this is a genius idea. Mhmm. But the other part of me, you know, being cautious thinks that it could be terribly bad. You know, from a liability standpoint, especially not necessarily for the CEO of the company, but for the individual drivers. Right. You know, because in the interview that we watched on Fox News today, he specifically stated that he's work actively recruiting law enforcement and military. And so that goes to And even security personnel with five years of experience or more. Yeah. But that doesn't mean anything. I mean, you you and I both know, and it's not meant to be disparaging, but it is disparaging. It's Sometimes you get what you pay for and just because someone's been in a security industry as a licensed security officer doesn't mean that they really have the skills or the mindset to actually carry out, their duties, which is why maybe they're in security instead of law enforcement. So, you know, we have to have these open and honest conversations. I mean, what are you what are your thoughts? I mean, let's let's dig a little bit deeper. Well, order to secure things, we always look at things at a different angle than most people. Yeah. Right? Consumer looks at it and goes, hey, I would love to have an and have an armed guard, you know, in my vehicle, that sounds like a good concept. But when you look at it through the the other lens that you and I often look at risk through. You know, the the bad mic on this shoulder over here whispering in our ear, you know, going, well, look, I just got to the city and I need a weapon Now I don't even have to go find one. I'll just take it off. Yeah. I'll just go ahead and sign up under this app and have this guy come in here. And while he's driving, is back to me, and he can't defend himself, I know that there's a weapon in the car. I'm just gonna take it. Right? And if I take the weapon from the guy, now I got a car and a weapon. And there's a lot of people, regardless of your skill set and law enforcement or even in security. There's a lot of people walking around as daily that have the knowledge and skills and capability to take those weapons. You know, Well, I mean, let's say, hey, you know, let's go let's go out on a tangent here. Let's say that, it's a game. Right? Or, you know, someone trying to sell some type of drugs. I'm gonna go ahead and hire this guy And I'm gonna make a stop. I'm ultimately gonna go over here, and I schedule that in the ride sharing app. And now you're showing up to this scene where you're gonna go sell your illicit drugs inside or something else, and you have this person in there who takes you for who you are. Oh, I need security. Right? That's why I'm using this app. And so now an altercation happens, you've now injected a private officer, off duty, into a situation, and it was all because of this app. Is there good? Absolutely. Like, I I mean, when you and I sit here and talk about it, it's like, and I could see some applications. This would be really great. Yeah. But, I mean, I'm trying to think about that. You know, in in particular scenarios, I can't think of a single scenario in my private life where I've been on vacation with my family or I let's say, let's take Las Vegas, for example. Let's take New York City. For an example, places that I use Uber pretty regularly to get from point a to point b. I I can't think of a single scenario where I would think, let's say, downtown Las Vegas, I wanna move from the MGM down to I don't know. Caesars. Caesars. Right? You know, ups it into the strip. Right. Why would I need an armed individual driving me. What's going to happen between the MGM and Caesars where that person would engage someone. Well, and that's exactly right. So let's say that you are there and you're carrying a lot of money. Right? You what you were successful you played at MGM. You wanted to have the money. You wanna go back to your room. You're concerned that people saw you in the money that maybe you need, you know, something that's in there. But but let's let's now let's Yeah. My brain's moving fast. Right? Yeah. Now let's switch this around. Is that officer willing to lay down his life? He's not an officer in that in that in that setting. He's a But he's a flag wolf arm driver. This is why I wanted to talk about it, right, because but it's not operating in the capacity of a law enforcement officer. Agreed or even security officer there. U. S. License in that state, he or she is licensed in that state to operate within those confines, or or boundaries. Let's say a bit off duty off sir, which is what the CEO said. So the off duty officer doing the side gig. Great. I've got I'm riding for Black Wolf. I'm in Vegas. I'm a Las Vegas PD officer. Yeah. Right? Is he gonna draw his weapon down on somebody that's trying to rob this individual? Right, on his off duty time. I I don't I don't know. Like, where where does that line come in? What happens if that's the expectation of the driver and then he does not do that. And then that driver then, Sue's Black Wolf and says that I hired a specific armed driver and he didn't engage. And he did not engage. We've seen in real life scenario where people are being killed and officers didn't take action. Yes. And now we're thinking, hey, we're gonna hire them to drive us around. Well, and he's saying that they're targeting law enforcement and targeting military. Doesn't mean that they don't That doesn't mean that they're not gonna have other drivers that are just armed or have an LTC. Sure. You know, because there's a lot of people that have LTCs that are carrying guns. Hell, I was in a retail store here the other day, and there was an individual that was open carrying and I know this person, and I know that that person is not caring for the right reasons. It's all for show. And it wouldn't take much for anybody to whoop that guy's ass and take his gun from it. Anybody who carries concealed every day. Right? Let's say we're licensed to carry, let's say that now maybe they're a former law enforcement, the the allure or the benefit of concealed carry is you have the element of surprise. Yes. Right? You don't know who in this store is armed. It could be the grandma over there. Right? It could be, you know, where, you know, it could be this this mom. It could be that guy in the sporting shorts. Yeah. You you don't know who it is. Eighty one of them or all of them could be armed. That's the element of surprise. Yeah. When you have people who open carry, You lose them. You lose all that. Right? Every bit of it. And your leverage is now gone. Yeah. It's like those guys. It's like those guys wanna be officers or wanna be soldiers or wanna be whatever. And they never went through the process. But the people who carry every single day, I don't not once you didn't know. No. No. Well, the element of surprise is you cannot measure that. No. Right? But every time I see someone that's, that's open carrying, I just I shake my head. It's like, you're a full Right. You know, I mean, just because it's your right doesn't mean you should. Right. You know? Well, let's take it a step further. Have a right to do a lot of things, but it doesn't mean you should do it. Let's take a step further. How long does this occur or how long after an event happens with an officer before agencies start processing process or, creating policy. Right? Saying you can't do it. Can't do it. I think it'll be very soon afterwards. Depending on the agency and even the clearance levels or anything else, many officers have to disclose Hey, I'm gonna go work for this organization. I'm gonna do something and receive written approval. Yeah. I mean, I could totally see that going down to the lowest levels of law enforcement, it that you have to have permission. I have active law enforcement officers at the state and federal level that worked for me at M6 Global. They have to have authorization from their agencies, we do a lot to protect their identity. We do a lot to make sure that they don't get themselves in any types of conflicts of interests But in this particular case, I do see that there will probably be a lot of, you know, agencies that move to say, hey, you know, you can't do this, but then but then that's Pandora's box because what how how do you say that you can't be a ride share. Right. Arm driver, but you can work an extra job at the Best Buy or at the Cane's chicken, or it's a very slippery slip. Right. It's almost though, you know, I mean, how many situations are you gonna get yourself into when you're driving around? On a street picking up complete strangers versus I'm in a fixed position at a store. I have cover. I have the ability of communications and resource is, and all of these other things that a business has that when you're out mobile, you may or may not have. Well, here's the other other thing that that people not considering that. I don't know what the CEO is considering. As far as putting these officers in in a bind in a moral dilemma, of what they should do. Okay. So they've been hired as a as an armed driver for Black Wolf. We all know that, you know, Uber, Lyft, other other, you know, ride share companies, you know, you're not always picking up the mom, you know, and the wholesome mom, the mom, or the mom and dad, or or the grandma or the kid. Traveler. You know, you're the business traveler. You're picking up people that have been partying whichever way they party, whether it be through means of alcohol or drugs. Now you've got somebody in your back seat wanting to smoke a joint, or they're engaging in other type of illicit drug activity, and you've got a licensed law enforcement officer that's driving you that's armed how do how do they separate and differentiate when they're -- What -- along with the -- confesses to Compasses to a murder. Right? And why he's riding in the right seat? I I I I think it's a it's a slippery slope. It's a very slippery slope. Yeah. It's gonna be really interesting to see how this plays out. I mean, I think that, I mean, I think that, the CEO, I think it's Kevin King Brown, you know, genius idea. You know, I I do believe that he will be successful and I commend him. Hey, you applause. You know? Applause for being, innovative, you know. Yeah. But I just wanted to I wanted to just have this conversation with you because, obviously, you have the experience not only from the security side of and being able to look at all the what ifs. Yeah. But also from the law enforcement side of, you know, what it's like to, you know, your sworn in officer Well, because, you know, as well as I do. I mean, you know, we have this debate all the time about, you know, getting into the security guard services industry, whether they be unarmed, whether they be armed, that's, you know, a common theme that we're seeing in our space, of that being a a growing need, whether it be in, you know, the industrial complex, corporations, schools, And it's something that you and I've been discussing and and you've been trying to talk me out of because, you know, dealing with people is hard, right, especially at that level. And then you're You're giving a tremendous amount of responsibility to people, but they're not being paid at the same responsibility level. So, therefore, you kinda end up getting what you get. Right? And Well, and I think that that's gonna be really interesting to see at where's that line? I mean, obviously, they've done some testing. They've they've they've gotten to a point where they're at now that they're able to release it in a city. But there has to be enough money that an officer is willing to do that and not an extra job. And I don't I don't understand the the economics of this app from that perspective because most law enforcement officers that we know have all the extra jobs in the world they want. Right? Like, I mean, they work as much as they want to. There's always a need for extra jobs. Right? And in many times, when we pull an officer for some customer, they're typically turning down some type of family event or something else that they did to come and help us. Yep. Because they weren't doing their normally scheduled extra job. Right? Uh-huh. So there's all of this need, and they make good money doing extra job. Yeah. Right? So if you're gonna now drive around, you're gonna be putting wear and tear on your vehicle. You're you're putting yourself at this additional risk. And you you gotta be able to make at least the same, if not, better, or why wouldn't you just work an extra job? Right. Yeah. I know it's not this way and everywhere, but I know in Texas, we're short officers. Right? I mean, I know across the country, across the country. Yeah. So, I mean, How do you make this beneficial? I mean, if you're truly taking, you know, a thirty or forty five minute ride in a vehicle, Is are you willing to pay sixty, seventy, eighty dollars for an armed Yeah. But I need to know hypothetical situations of why you would need an armed driver. I mean, you gave a good example of someone winning money at a casino and then wanting to be, you know, escorted back to their hotel by an Uber driver who's carrying a gun through or I I say Uber. I mean, a Blackhawk Blackhawk. I apologize. Black Wolf. Driver who's carrying again, that person's not gonna walk you to your room. I mean, unless that that's a service that that they wanna offer and you're welcome. I gave you a quick little, bit of free. Yeah. There's another one. Well, you know, like, I could think of Yeah. If you wanna make it worth your while, have them escort the client to their room, to their final destination. You're welcome, mister Brown. Well, I mean, then there's a whole liability on that. Right? Now we show the officer going towards somebody's room. Oh, I was assaulted. Right? Now what I didn't assault you. Escorted to the room. I walked back to the vehicle. I mean, it's one of those things. Like, this is a really slippery slope. I, you know, one thing I could think of as a parent, right? You know, Uber has minimum age. Right? But I know parents who have been in a bind for whatever reason and their kids had to take an Uber. They sent them an Uber. Yeah. I sent them an Uber. Right? Whatever that may be. I need to ride from here to there. They got jammed up. Somebody's in the hospital, whatever. Whatever the situation is in the in the child ends up taking an Uber, right, the parent sends it to him or whatever. But that could be a service that maybe that is something that for a certain age minor who needs to come back around, maybe you would want to have somebody who's had a vetted security background check or who is a current law enforcement officer because we know at that point, at least the the person not a felon. Well, they're held to a certain standard. They're held to the same standard as a law enforcement officer. But now you're putting a minor in the custody of a law enforcement officer. But they're not serving in the capacity of a law enforcement agreed. So, I mean, you know, that could be a service that I would say would say. They get all the training. They get all the vetting and all the benefits of having a law enforcement officer escorting their child or transporting their child, but they're not serving in the capacity of a law enforcement officer. So I mean, I I mean, I'm kinda mixed on this. You know, I I think it's a like I said, I think it's a it's a genius idea, but there's hell of a lot of liability that I I'm I'm certain that, you know, after listening to, mister Brown's, you know, presentation today on Fox News. He seems like a very intelligent individual, but he's thought this through. So I'm assuming, that are some of the things that they probably work through these scenarios. Yeah. And if you haven't, feel free to call us. We'll we'll definitely do that for you. We have a whole network of people that can assist you. So and that's that's an that's an offer. Given And we have actually software tools that, could actually help keep track of people and give them resources in real time. Yep. So, it's definitely something that we could consult on, without a doubt. It's just, you know, I wanted to bring it up because it's gonna be interesting to watch. I have no doubt. You know, I mean, we've already seen Uber in the news before. You know, an officer with a gun or this person or this person getting robbed. Or it's Uber driver raping that someone raping a a woman who's in, you know, intoxicated shirked going home from a bar, you know? Right. All of these things that we've seen happen with the other ride sharing, and I'm not just picking out everywhere. Lyft is -- Yeah. -- there as well. All of the ride sharing. It's really gonna be interesting to see how I mean, I kinda I mean, you know, when we we talk about, there's a lot of liability, obviously, but You know, I I think he may be onto something though because if if he can hold the standard of having someone who's a vetted law enforcement officer that has gone through all of the training that they've gone through. They're held to a higher standard within American society, Yeah. I mean, I I think that I think he might be on to something. I will say yes. But where I think that it goes awry is the first incident and the agencies will Yeah. They'll pull it. Yeah. They'll So his entire business model goes to put because the agencies come back in there. Well, I I would normally say I can see that happening. I think that there will be some agencies who to have that initial knee jerk reaction where they tell their officers that you can't be part of Black Wolf. Right. You know, that's not a that's not an extra job that you can you know, conduct. But if you're gonna do that to Black Wolf and do that to them for Black Wolf, you've gotta do it with other extra job because Listen, you know, transporting people in a vehicle from point a to point b, armed as an off duty officer is no more, or risk than working at a grocery store or a a bank. Oh, yeah. Or like you said, a night club. So I I don't know. I I I have a feeling this is probably gonna work out for mister Brown. Yeah. I do. I I have a feeling that it's gonna work out if it done properly with the right people. And I'm, you know, maybe he has a team. Maybe he doesn't have a team. But, I think that it could work fine. But there's gonna there's a hell of a lot of liability. Well, I I think it's gonna be really interesting to see the monetary side of it. Right? Like, I'm always gonna get things from a business picture of of where is that line, right, I can open up this app. So the other ride sharing apps are gonna have a lower standard of entry for drivers. Uh-huh. Which means that they are going to be able to have more drivers. Right. So I can open up this ride sharing app and it's gonna cost me fourteen dollars, and they're gonna be here. They're a minute away. And I can open up this app and get this level of service and it's gonna cost me fifty dollars for that same ride, and it's gonna take them nine minutes to get here. Right. Yeah. But if it were me, I would do the fourteen dollar one. But if it were me me sending a car to pick up my wife and kids, I would I would consider the fifty dollar one. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But they they do they have? Are they gonna allow the kids' side? I don't I don't know. But this is This is one of those things. How often do you do that? Chances are if you went back and looked at your Uber history, more than likely or lift or whatever ride sharing app you're using, you probably use it more for yourself than you've ever used it for somebody. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. So how do you build a business out of that if you're just handling exceptions? And the other thing is is now you've gotta also schedule sisters around the clock. Right? Because you can't just have, oh, yeah. This is only nighttime time. That's a that's a at the staffing. It's a staffing nightmare. Our police departments have a hard time, staffing. Yeah. For their primary job. And this is gonna have, an an extra job app. I I really was an extra job app. If you think about it, it's an extra job app. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I I'm I'm really, really intrigued, and I'm really, interested in seeing how this plays out. I would, you know, I know he just rolled it out in Atlanta. Eighty thousand users subscribed in the first week. Yep. You know, I think Well, in Atlanta, Atlanta is one of those cities, man. It's gotten it's gotten rough. Yeah. Right? The other thing that's, you know, changing in Atlanta, a lot of people don't know is that it really is the new Hollywood. Yes. A lot of, a lot of production, a lot is happening in Atlanta instead of away. Been there in a long time. It it's now something that you see everywhere. I do. Every time I've been in Atlanta, there has been I have come across at least two or three, several, you know, sets that are been wide filming. Well, man, I, I don't know, I'm curious to see how it plays out. I think it's gonna I think financially it's gonna play out well for him. It's if he can get the pricing right for the demand and the scheduling. Right. Scheduling. I would, you know, my advice to him would be don't lower your standard. Right. Keep keep a very high standard. That's gonna be the challenge. I think that's ultimately gonna be the the the piece that's in there because, if you look at any of the other ride sharing, so it's services that are out there, how many people use it on a given day, trying to staff that with now a specific demographic of driver. Instead of having a pool of drivers this large, you now have a pool of drivers this large. And so, in order to handle demand, the only way that he can do that is by lowering. Well, I'll tell you another battle the eastern of five stations is some people are not they won't ride with them because they have a gun. There's a lot of people in the United States that are deathly afraid of weapons or they just don't feel like they have any, place in American society a lot of these people are, you know, probably Uber or or Lyft, rideshare customers, and they would they would not take that ride because they have a gun. It'd be really interesting to see which states that he's successful in. I am certain that it's gonna be it's gonna be the south you think he'd be successful with the service in California? No. Absolutely not. I mean, he's talking about New York already. I mean, if some of the tightest gun laws in the country. Right? I mean, okay. So now you got NYPD officers and maybe a handful of other people that are could be drivers? I think you're more left leaning states are gonna be I think they're gonna be tougher. Show down. I mean, think about How about How could they shut it down? The cities can. Right? You were if you remember, there's been a ton of legislative, Oregon around, the ride sharing companies, where they could and come come through. And in order for them to be successful where they're at, they've had to sue their way into it. Las Vegas, we brought it up. That was one where, you know, cabs were everything. Mhmm. There. I mean, they was one of the organizations, New York. Right? New York and Las Vegas. Transportation, especially around the strip in Vegas, It's all cabs. Mhmm. Every bit of it. Right? And now it's a little different there. That's right. Different. I mean, all the major, casinos and hotels have had them to create separate parking lots or facilities or ride sharing. Yeah. Right. We're not flying to I flew into, I think it was, Detroit here a while back. And same thing that yeah. Or even even let's not even Detroit, but even in Houston. They have their own parking lot for rideshare. You know, they don't mix with the cabs anymore. Right. So but how do we, you know, how do how do you I mean, the the individual in the driver will know who's who, but do they notify the people that they're armed? I mean, is I mean, I I hope that they wouldn't force them to you know, have a sticker on their car or something that would identify them as an armed driver. I mean, that takes away the whole purpose. But you know how some of these governments are, whether it'd be local state or federal. Gotta be identif Yeah. I gonna If you don't go into the airport, they have to have tax because they have to pay a tax. Every time they go into the airport. Right? So anybody who goes through Las Vegas airport as a professional driver has to pay a a toll, attacks. Their car is taxed, and they have to have special stickers on them. So I don't know how you get around that. I don't know. It's gonna be also interesting to see the, as you increase the cost of the ride. Right? And somebody who's more, discerning about the level of security typically is going to want a different quality of car. Right? This is gonna be one of the black sedans or black SUVs. You know, can you imagine, you know, pulling up in some, you know, ten year old vehicle with, you know, the kid's serial in the back and forever and you're paying. We've all seen that. Right. You know what I'm saying? But then you show up for the ride and you're paying a premium for the service. Well, they have that already, though. There's a there's another ride share company called Black. Mhmm. You know, are you familiar with that? Oh, yeah. That it's all high end vehicles, you know, and you've got, you know, truly you have you know, almost like a chauffeur. Okay. So hold on. So now we have the ride sharing apps. We've got black. I would say Black Wolf is above that. I want the services -- Yeah. -- of a of a I wanna escalate. I wanna But I want Exactly. But I want that there. And I would love to see, you know, a guy actually show for her. Right? Like, I mean, you know, somebody who's clean-cut, you know, ends dressed dressed appropriately. And it doesn't have to be a suit, but, I mean, I don't want some guy that showing up literally in in slippers in his pajama pants. Right. Which some of the other places have. We've seen the we've seen that. Right? They're like, literally this guy rolled out of bed or, you know, he's sleeping in the car in between rides or whatever. Right? You're you're you're gonna pay for a premium. Well, but I think that if you know, from a business model perspective, one of the things that, you know, he should keep in mind, give him away more free advice is, You're not gonna be for everybody. Right. You're already not gonna be for everybody. So So go ahead and just be different. And what I mean by that is that, you know, if you're charging fifty bucks and you've got a professional driver who's armed in a black vehicle, you know, BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac, you know, suburban, suburban, whatnot. And you're gonna pay the elevated price, you might as well just do it do it right, you know, I would I would maybe pay for that eventually at some point, you know, if I wanted to have, you know, my wife and a couple of friends and of ours going out and we want to have somebody that's, you know, professionally dressed in a nice vehicle. But in most of those situations, you're you're gonna hire an actual police officer. Well, that or you're gonna hire an actual, a limbo company. Limmo company. Yeah. I use gonna show up in a sedan or an SUV. Now I just don't know. I think there's more I think his success is going to tip-off all of these limo and, you know, Sudan companies that get private service because the type of people who are willing to pay a premium for security, which we know a lot of those people, they're gonna want on demand service. They don't want to come back after whatever event they went to and wait. And wait a premium amount of time for the premium service. Right? They're not gonna they're not gonna want that. They're gonna want that driver to be able to be like, hey, I'm coming out in in three minutes. And that yeah. Cool to be waiting. There is, if you have a security concern, You know, this is one of those things that people don't think about, and you're this concerned about it. Yeah. If the vehicle is not waiting for you, when you get outside or behind our sitting in there. Yeah. You're a sitting duck that entire time that you're there. Well, I mean, I'm just trying to I'm trying to wrap my brain around this. So we call a rideshare. We call Black Wolf. We get an arm driver. He takes us from point a to point b, drops us off, and then he moves on, and then we call another ride share through Black Wolf, and it could be a completely different guy, completely different skill set, completely different car. I'm I'm not really understanding the need for an arm just simply ride share to get me from point a to point b. If if if I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this with a professional driver that's armed that's going to take me from point a to point b and stay with me at point b to provide a true service. They they have that service. I mean, they're called limit drivers or well, and then they have personal protective officers. Yeah. I I don't I mean, we we have clientele that we help. And and that we help consult on, you know, high net worth, high risk individuals. Right? Yeah. And I can't say that we would ever recommend, hey, when you get there, take black wolf. In any one of those situations, we would have we have transportation arranged. Yeah. That would be an itinerary. It would be this is what's going on. And they're gonna show up. This is the person that's gonna meet you. There could be qualifications. Yep. And, you know, here here is all of your information. I'd send it to you electronically. You know exactly where you're going. I just don't understand. I mean, have we had that many, ride share, victims, not not from the driver, but from outside entities. I mean, I've heard of nothing. Yeah. I've heard of victims being, you know, involved in ride shares, but it's usually the driver assaulting people. It's not It's not someone else assaulting someone that's in a ride or it's someone assaulting the driver. Right? Right? It's the it's the drunk person from the party who loses his mind or is on some type of substance and beats or abuses or -- Right. -- the driver. Right? And we've seen that. So now you have an officer there. And now he feels like his life's threatened, and he has to respond with force. Yikes. That's that's a that's a challenge. I don't know. You know, part of the other thing is that that concerns me is, you and I both have traveled internationally. Right? And I would say, in general, people who travel a lot know how to travel. People who travel internationally a lot know how to not look like an American. Right. Right. You don't wear the tennis shoes, you don't wear the blue jeans. You, you know, you you you don't act like an American you try to blend in. Right? Because you don't wanna draw attention to yourself. If they are going to have markings, like, we're talking about for the licensing, you know, details under these city regulations, the individual cities require the light up signs indicating that they are this driver or that driver. Each one of them has different different things. Think about, you know, Uber now offers the advertising sign. So a drive down the road, and then the driver can make additional money by the sign on the top of the vehicle. Right? It's If any of those signs are there, you again are losing that element of surprise. Right. You don't know who I am. You know, there's a lot of people that you can get in and out of risky areas by going extremely low key. Right? In other situations, it's warranted. Right? I need to have this level of security. We need to have this overt presence or I need to have this type of deal But that's a risk analysis that you have in there. And so if if it if the vehicles are marked, it's it's the equivalent of doing the open carry versus concealed how did he get around the whole licensing? I mean, because, essentially, they're serving as an executive protection officer. Right? Our personal protection officer. How do you get around that? If it's if it's not a licensed law enforcement officer, you know, and this it's not The state of Texas. If it was talking about Texas for now, there's a specific security license for someone who is a -- You have to be licensed. And that's essentially what they're doing. Right. So is he gonna go get all of these guys, their executive protection license? I know they're gonna be under his security license because you have to work for a license security company. You and I both know that's not gonna happen. Yeah. But is the state gonna do anything about it? We can't get them to enforce the company throughout their installing Security system is legal. There's cameras and alarm systems being installed by felons, and you tell the state licensing agency Hey, this is going on. This person is installing a camera system in the school. They are not licensed. The installers are felons. This is what's going on. Do they do anything about it? No. But I can go on a whole another tangent about that. Yeah. But they'll take our money as a licensed security company, but they won't go and do anything about people who are breaking the wall. Right. It'd be really interesting to see what happens as this starts growing and these incidents come up. Now all of a sudden, is is the state gonna come back up? You know, and and say, oh, yeah. Where's our licensing? I'd love to I'd love to talk to this guy. You know, I'd love to to talk to him and just you know, pick his brain a little bit, maybe have him on the show. Yeah. Talk about it. It's definitely something I wanted to bring up. Right? Maybe this is this is interesting. It's gonna be interesting to see how all the laws in in these cities, the the democrat led cities versus Republican led cities, the north versus the south, the liberal versus the conservative, like, how how this all shakes out. Yeah. I mean, I wish you nothing but success. I mean, rhetoric. You know, I'm not I don't want anybody to think I'm casting shade. No. I'm not casting shade at all. I It's purely talking about pros and cons. Yeah. Closing cons. I mean, gotta know that people are gonna talk about this. Sure. And so what I would say is if, you know, sir, if you wanna come on the show, reach out to us at info at m six global defense, dot com or service a s a p dot com, and you're welcome to come on the show. Let's get you in here. Let's talk about it. Well, we may actually have even software that, may help. I'm a service and security aspect for the people who are providing the road ride service. I think we can do that too. So there's a lot of, a lot of things that we feel like we can help you with. So anyhow. But, yeah, no. I I I mean, like I said, wish him nothing but but success. Yeah. But I foresee some significant hurdles Sure. You know, and if if I can help him, you can help him. Our network can help him, then, I think it would, you know, it would be beneficial So he may not want our help. I don't know. But we're gonna offer it, you know, but anyhow, but yeah, no, I but we're gonna continue to bring things you know, that are relevant like this and talk about the pros and cons, not just from the business side, but, you know, the actual user side. Right. Good deal. Awesome. Alright. Appreciate it.