Football Touchdowns to Financial Turnarounds: Ronnie Brown’s Shift from NFL to Financial Guidance

Oh, Well, good afternoon, and welcome to Chad's not stats. I am so excited to be back. I feel like I took a little bit of a hiatus I think it was, partially due to really wanting my guests today. And also just, like, it's that time of year. I don't know about you, Ronnie, but, like, twenty twenty three kicked my ass. So I just needed to take like a break. Eventful year for a lot of people, myself included. Yeah. So I'm super pumped. I'm beyond grateful to have you today for those who don't know by looks alone. The fantastic phenomenal Ronnie Brown. Welcome to Chad's not stats. I appreciate it. Good to be here. Auburn alum. Like, casual ten years in the league, husband, father, businessman, jolly good dude, I feel like. It's the holiday time, and I feel like jolly is definitely a word I would use for you. Maybe it's a smile. I don't know if it's a smile. I don't know if it's the demeanor. Do you feel Jolie? Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty upbeat. Like life's hard enough. So you just kinda have the smiling, you know, get through it and it's, you know, it's has its challenges as everyone expects. So, you know, just keep a smile on your face and keep moving. I'm here for that. I'm genuinely here for that. I have said over the last two years that I have been extremely blessed to have some really awesome Auburn men in my life. Like, I don't know where that came from. I don't know why that happened. I'm really not asking any questions about it. But due to the wonderful web of connections, you and I got to meet. And you're just a joy. So I felt like after all of our good quality conversation, you were the perfect person to put your spin on some things that I wanna know about. And that other people wanna know about. Oh, cool. Hopefully, I can help. Yeah. So that's that's what's up. So so I'm gonna get started. With this. So you're a Georgia boy. Yep. Yeah. Georgia peach. You went to Auburn University, which I know you have told me has been, like, was one maybe an unexpected choice and to, like, the best experience ever. So talk to me about deciding to go to Auburn. Yeah. So, it all started, like, just growing up, in Cartersville in Northwest, Georgia, being on the younger end in terms of youngest in the family, cousins and so everyone. So the thing was to do was to well, the thing to do was to play sports. Right? And so, grew up playing sports, just kinda being outside, being small town kid, that was just the neighborhood thing to do. And so baseball was my first love but when, you know, I got to high school and started getting the opportunity getting, you know, scholarship offers, I realized the opportunity there for football. And so, obviously, financially, it made more sense to pursue that than the baseball route. And so you know, for me, it was knowing that the SEC was, you know, the cream of the crop, you know, in my opinion, being a southern guy. I was familiar with Georgia. Georgia guy grew up, you know, Garrison Herspan, and so really just kinda looking at it. Never really watched a lot of sports because I was usually I'd prefer to be outside playing. And so when that opportunity came, just kinda knowing, you know, family's important to me and, you know, being close to home and close proximity was you know, one of the deciding factors. And so, you know, with that being said, I kinda narrowed it down to my last three choices were Georgia Auburn and Tennessee. And so Actually, you know, because Tim Auburn was I mean, Georgia was a little bit late to the party in terms of recruiting, you know, being a hometown kid. You know, I was expecting them to come early on and they didn't. And so Tennessee and Auburn came pretty much on a weekly basis. And so I actually committed to Tennessee until like a week before signing day and with signing day just passing. You know, it was it was an adventurous process, you know, and I appreciated all the coaches and all the opportunities, but you know, at the end of the day, you have to do and make a decision that's in your best interest. You know, and for me, that was, you know, going Auburn. It just felt right. It felt like the right thing to do. And now looking back on it, you know, I felt like, you know, that was the best decision that I could have made in terms of my experience, playing football, and then post career. How do you think it is now when so, like, Signing day is a huge deal, right, for people that are going anywhere for school. And there's like all the jokes and the hats and the balloons and the whatever. Do you feel like it is less exciting now or less commitment involved now because of the existence of the transfer portal? I think it's more exciting, from the fact that Tell me why. Well, I think for coaches, because you just don't know. Like, you get guys until you get that letter of intent signed, you really have no idea if a young man's gonna sign a gun a young woman's gonna come to your school. It's just, you know, and I think NIL is added a layer to that because, you know, a lot of times it's like, let me solidify that deal before I actually sign the paper because unfortunately, some people have been promised certain things and they're not getting those things. And so, you know, you have to be a little bit more business savvy I think as individuals. And so I think it's added a new element. And so now people are like, okay. Let me make sure that I cross all my t's and dot all my i's before I sign this letter, you know, and that comes up to the, you know, thirteenth hour, you know, for some people. And I think that's where that added part of it comes in. And as fans, you know, we're paying attention, they're like, man, like, this guy in signing early signing period, which we thought we were gonna sign early signing period or you know, he wants to wait. And so, you know, waiting and, you know, at the same time during that process, there's still other teams you know, you get guys going to visits and, you know, there's so many determining factors I think for young man. One NIL is a big part of that now. But also facilities. You got uniforms. You got shoe apparel. Like, you got all these things that I think, you know, you see the best of a university when you go and you get prompted to feel like, you know, I wanna make a decision, but then in the best interest, like, well, let me not make an emotional decision. But then you go home and you think about it in totality. And then next thing, you know, you're doing another visit the next weekend. And so, you know, your mind's all over the place. And so, you know, guys changed their mind a few times. And so trying to figure that out, it's challenging. And you think about being seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old, having to evaluate that for the next four years or potentially for my career. You know, that's a tough decision. And so it's a lot of factors that go into it. So I think it adds some excitement to it. Yeah. And you mentioned something really interesting. Right? You said there's a part of, like, business savvy that's involved thing now because of so many things. And it's not like, like, let's be real. There's always been money involved in collegiate athletics before NIL was a thing. Legally. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Allegedly. So now, though, it's I mean, it's front and center now. Like, there's no two ways about it. Like, it's it's a thing. It's out there. And having seen people going through the recruiting process currently, there's definitely an advantage to having parents who maybe know to ask some of those questions. Right? Like, you're not there yet. I'm not trying to, like, age you or rush you, but, like, eventually, your kids are gonna go to college. If they decide to pursue sports and are being pursued and you go through that recruiting process, there's gonna be advantages for your children because you, like, financial advising side to side, even just being a former athlete who did it, you know different questions, things to look for that Maybe you didn't even have with your parents when you went through it. So so what do you think that looks like now as you because you work with current athletes and you deal with families, what are, like, the do's and don'ts to the parents out there or the the guys working with their parents on pursuing these next opportunities. Like, anything that sticks in your mind. Yeah. I I think the the biggest part of it is, like, education. Right? Like, on the process, what this looks like, and trying to get as much information as you can. So when you do make a decision, it's an educated decision. You know, and it's all new sometimes for a lot of families. For me looking back on it, you know, I didn't know what I was looking for. And so I didn't know what to expect. And so now, like you said, in preparing my kids, you know, if they pursue those things, I'm a lot better equipped to give them advice and information as it's related to these things and even being post career to say, okay. Well, what are the also what are the factors that can also aid in you know, career beyond sports. And so just looking at it a little differently, but then two, just advice for individuals is after collecting all the information and educating yourself. The other part of it is being disciplined enough to not just make you know, financial decisions now. I know a a huge part of that is, you know, the financial security and a lot of times depending on, you know, upbringing. Like myself grew up in humble beginnings. So there's a stressor on that part of it. But, you know, I caution people to say, man, make sure you don't put yourself in a bad situation by chasing the financial gain of it because at the end of the day, you know, it's kinda like saying NIL is an NFL. And so if you take the NIL, but you end up in a bad situation where you're not growing and developing as a player, give you an opportunity to go beyond that next level, then you've kinda done it off or not. And then that's where the transfer portal becomes, a big part of And so you wanna try to initially get that decision right, and it has to be relationships beyond, the money, which the money is a deciding factor because, you know, coming from certain environments, that's a a big security thing, but also what are the relationships with the coaches? Like, if something were to happen, you know, forbid, you know, injury related, like, is this still the university for me? And so there's other factors that I think should be considered, you know, and I don't know how to weigh that scale. It it differs for everyone, but at least taking those things into account, whereas you make a decision, and it's not solely based off of you know, this team has eight different uniforms that they wear, or they are sponsored by Nike Jordan Davis or, you know, it other stuff that at the core of it, you wanna play sports, you wanna get a good education. And so who gives you the best opportunity for that in addition to extending your career beyond college. And that's a lot of the goals for most individuals as well. Yeah. For sure. And I think it's different. Right? Like, Okay. So let's say this. So you you did all four years at Auburn. Didn't five. I red shirted. And so then I stayed for myself. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. But you yeah. You used all your eligibility. You didn't leave early, and you did your you had your four plus the one. But, like, you did a full term, which which unless you're talking about kids that did the COVID year now, like, you don't really see a lot of that anymore. For guys that are gonna potentially go to the league. They're like, if I can leave, I can leave. As somebody who stayed, and I'm not saying that transferring wasn't a thing when you were in school because it certainly was even though there were harder stipulations with sitting out and so on and so forth. You could have left to leave early if you wanted to. You didn't. You stayed. You were a first round draft pick. Let's say it like, oh, not so big deal. Like, it's a big deal. But the even more important thing about that is being a tenured veteran. And lots of people are first round draft picks and never sign a second contract, which makes that I don't wanna say it takes away from the excitement, but, like, If the only goal is to be a first round draft pick, like lots of people get to do that every year, it doesn't mean they live long and prosper in the league. So as someone who stayed, One, why did you stay? And two, what are some of your pieces of advice or, like, I should've done this in all this time I was there and I didn't do it. Or I know I maximize my five years because I did these things. Like, what does that look like? Yeah. So it's I mean, it's a lot of factors now. For me, as I, you know, kinda give advice to to individuals and families. Now it's it's situational. Everyone's situation's different. Right? And so That's where it comes into acquiring information and knowledge related to your situation so that you can make a a decision that you don't regret at some point. Right? For me, you know, I was looking at coach savings, conference recently, and he was saying, man, I've never had a scout or anyone from the pros come in and ask me how did this guy play his freshman year. Right? And so growth and development is important. You know, especially when you're at a high level. You don't have to play right away. I know we all want to, but you don't have to. And sometimes it's not in your best interest. Myself, it wasn't in my best interest to play my freshman year. And so to get stronger, to become better acclimated to college life, it was better for me. And then when I got to the point where I had that opportunity, you know, I was in a system where, you know, my best one of my best friends was starting in front of me after starting running And so I had to evaluate, you know, what that opportunity looked like. Now my junior year, I got a third round grade back. And so, you know, with that, it's like, well, looking at the situation, what's our team look like coming back, what's our offense gonna look like, what are my opportunities running the ball and then anything beyond that can I increase my draft status? I'd already graduated. And so that was a determining factor for me. I'm like, okay. Well, when I come back from us, all I really have to do is play football, you know, because it was a situation where if I went to grad school, it'd only be a semester because after football. I'm off training. And so that was the determining factor for me. And I felt like all those questions that I just mentioned, I checked the box on them. It's like, I can you know, we will be better next year. We will have an opportunity to, you know, have a better offense. You know, I will get an opportunity for more touches. You know, I will get more opportunities, to kinda showcase my talent. And so that was deciding. And so it was a great decision for me because in doing so, you know, I came back and I went from a third round guy to, you know, an opportunity to be the number two overall pick. And so it worked out for me. Now, but those situations are different. Like, you know, and I talked to god. I'm like, hey, man, I can never tell you stay or go because you have to live with that decision. And if you stay and you get hurt, I don't want you to be mad at me. Or if you stay and you have a great year and you increase it, then that's great. Or if you leave and you don't get drafted where you thought you was, and, you know, now you're trying to hang on and that career only lasts two years, I don't want that to be on me. I just tell you, hey, let's look at some of the pros and the cons, and you evaluate it based off of your education and your circumstances. And that puts you you're able to deal with that outcome a lot better. And so it's always dependent on the individuals, but trying to acquire the same thing information and understanding without the emotional part of it. Yeah. Which is so much easier said than done. Right. I'm sorry that you have not vastly improved your fortune teller and psychic abilities. Like, what do you mean? You can't foresee if they're gonna have a better season and the other guys gonna get hurt and then they're draft stuck. I can't believe you don't know that already. What's wrong with you? I know. I got some work to do. You know, don't we all don't we all. Okay. So at what point in time through all of that and having a really full collegiate career? When was the, like, I think I'm gonna go to the NFL? Just after evaluating that, like, after that, fourth year, you know, and it was an opportunity to go. And, you know, I got the third round grade back I'm evaluating those things. And, obviously, it was dependent too. Like, I had three other guys on that team that were drafted in the first round with me. And so it's like, well, the determining factor was what are these guys gonna do? Because that helps my opportunity. And so when everyone decided, I was like, okay. We'll check. We're coming back. We have an opportunity to do something special. And so during that off season, I, you know, obviously, that's one of the most important recruiting things that coaches can do as well. It's like the guys that may leave for the draft trying to recruit those guys for another year because that increases your opportunity of success. And so just looking at that, I'm like, okay. For me, it's a better decision to come back because all these boxes got checked and the opportunity, and I feel like I can increase that chance of being drafted higher. And so when I made that decision, I felt a hundred percent comfortable with it. And I'm like, okay. This this works for me. And so depending on the outcome, I was comfortable you know, whether it was still third round or if it were, you know, luckily to go number two overall. Yeah. Did you think when you went to Aubrey, like, was the goal, like, I'd like to go to the NFL, or was it, like, I wanna play really great football if that happens, cool. Yeah. I knew I wanted to be a professional athlete. Like, most guys go to school because that choice is usually a deciding fact of what school I'm going to to get the opportunity to put me in position to be able to do that. And so that's why that decision is so important. But at the same time, the likelihood of doing that too, the reality. Like, and we don't talk about it enough. It's, you know, less than one percent of individuals get the chance to do that. You know, we all have the intent to do it, but the reality of it too. And I said that's why, you know, going to the right school and university is also important to see what and network and all of those things that we don't think about. I wasn't thinking about at that age. And now, you know, I'm able to prepare my kids to think about because you have a better chance of going and being a doctor or a lawyer or something than you actually do to making it to the pros. But not to being discouraging, it's just to think about it in a realistic manner as well? It's also difficult too, I think. Like, when you choose a school, if you've chosen a school that strategically recruits and then effectively puts out pro athletes. Right? Like, it is no surprise that, like, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, Clinton, Tennessee, whatever, They they put out pro athletes. I think that makes it harder when people try to then talk to the student athlete or the athlete student. However, you wanna put it, about being like, well, this might not happen for you. Not in regards of it can't happen for you, but, like, the reality of the number of people a pro is what it is. It just looks so uniquely sheltered here because so many people go. And then in turn, like, what you said is, like, the networking power of a school like that is unfathom unfathomable, really. And because that's not how someone who's necessarily looking at it who wants to go pro, which I can't say everyone I know so many people now, this, like, younger generation, you know, they're taking the business cards, they're meeting the people. They're like, hey, man, this guy buys the million dollar you know, table every year. Like, I wanna be friends with him. It's it got a bit of a different level, but it is sort of a sheltered perspective when you go to a school like that because it's very common for guys to go pro. Yeah. And I think that's one of the challenges because of the young invincibility. Like, as a young guy, when you get the big offers and you go to the major universities from the Alabama, to Auburn's, to Georgia's, to Florida's, to Texas to Michigan, Ohio State, you've already defied the odds for most guys coming out of certain environments. And so there is no reason for you to not think Yeah. It's realistic for me to make it to the next level, you know, barring, injury, you know, barring all of these things. And I don't even think, you know, me and my buddy were talking about it recently is we didn't even realize how difficult it is to make it to the NFL because we kinda took it for granted to some sense, you know, because we were in that position, and we did get that opportunity, but looking back on it. So, hey, man, we played with a lot of guys that didn't end up even being there our senior year or, you know, not getting those opportunities out of, you know, the hundreds of guys that we played with. And it's kinda like something that you don't really look at because you look at your own personal situation and where you come from and define the odds, you know, for myself being a guy coming out of that environment and some of the circumstances that I dealt with and were able to overcome to get to Auburn University to get to, you know, first round of the draft I don't even think I appreciated how difficult that was. And now looking back on it, it's like, wait a minute. Like, that's no easy task, no easy feat. Insights twenty twenty for real. Right. But, you know, I I think in my mind, I was naive to you may not make it's a ninety nine percent chance that you won't make it. I didn't even Right. Think about that. Yeah. And I think I think that's part of the the DNA though of of that level of athlete. They don't they don't look at the ninety nine percent ever. Like, you know, you got a guy who just, you know, tours Achilles or or, you know, ripped a meniscus in half. And it's, like, it's cool. Like, I'm still going. Like, I'll fix it. And that is I think a bit of a double edged sword. Right? Like, I think part of it is, like, that is what drives you to be great. It is what keeps you going. But like you said, there's also this, What did you say? The invincible mentality? Yeah. At any point in time in your career, whether it was college or pro, and we'll get to, like, the transitioning into the pros. But, like, at any point in time, did mister invincible hurt you? Like, did what did you do something where you were like, So mister Vincent came out and this thing happened and like that sucked. Yeah. You know what? Not in the moment, until, like, to the pros. Like, even in when I read shirt it, I'm like, okay, I just gotta wait my turn. And then even being considered, you know, a backup that It's like, okay. Just my time's coming. And then when I got those opportunities, you know, I did well with them. And so I never came to the realization that wait a minute. Like, this ninety nine percent may be, you know, more likely. But, you know, when I got to the pros and I told my ACL in two thousand and seven, going through that. And it was like, wait a minute. Like, now that I've made it and I've been here, but it's the reality of this can be taken away, you know, because I had never been injured before that. Yeah. Okay. That's what I was gonna say. That's your first major injury. Yeah. And so it wasn't that wasn't even something that I was thinking about, but then that's where the other invincibility thing kicked in. It's like, but I'll be back. I'll recover from it. I'll be fine. I'm young. I'm early in my career. But for a glimpse going through that process, I was like, wait a minute. Like, what else? Is there out there because this is the last level. So what do I do? You know, when you have that thought in college, it's like, hey, I didn't come here to be a neurosurgeon. You know, I came here to play football. And so when I'm in the pros, it's like, hey, I'm trying to make a career out of this. I'm not even thinking about this could be it. And even in the moment when I do get hurt, it's like, wait a minute, like, alright, let's go and attack this, you know, rehab so that I can get back. And so you know, for a glimpse, that was it for me. Like, when I tore my ACL in two thousand seven, I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Like, what else is there if this thing is taken away at some point? Yeah. I always have an even deeper empathy for guys who get injured for real. Like, not a sprint angle, but like for real injured in the pros for the first time because it is it's a different mental challenge. Like, it can be super isolating way more than if you do it in college. And I think it also you do battle a bit of that, the mister invincible because, like, you know you're dedicated. You're gonna get back, but, like, the mental part, like, the physical part is usually not the problem. Like, guys can do rehab and PT, like, that's not the issue. Like, oh, you're telling me I have to go to this guy. It's gonna make me move my leg or my foot. Been happy to do my own work. You know, that part's not so hard, but the the isolation, the maybe not going to team meetings in the very you know, once you first get injured, there's like a lag time. You're not as included. Takes a lot bigger of a toll think some people think it is. And then, like, especially if you do it more than once, like, usually the second injury, which I think you broke a foot. Right? Yeah. For, my little hand, but I had a list right now. Yeah. Couple of different parts, like a hand, a foot, a an ACL, you know, head shoulder, season toes. You know, cranked out a couple things. Like, it's sometimes I don't wanna say it's great, like, the more injuries you have, the better. But it's, like, if you do something a second time, you're a little more prepared than you were maybe the first time. Whereas guys who, like, tour an ACL in college, K back, go to the pros. It's a different coping mechanism, that I feel like is a thing. And I tell guys all the time, and the pros, I don't have as experience in college, but in the pros when guys get injured, I'm like, let's create your schedule. Like, what are we doing? Who are we talking to? Like, How are we keeping ourselves busy? Because, like, that boredom thing will kick in strong. And I think Mr. Invincibles who don't have anything to do, it, like, makes you nuts. Yeah. Yeah. That was a big part of that because that was, like you said, that was my first time being injured. And so going through that isolation, like, you weren't a part of the team. You go in. I went to rehab twice a day, but then I'm at home for the rest of the day. Can't be out moving around. And so you know, realizing that in my own head, I'm like, one, all the phone calls stopped. Like, people that were calling for tickets, and I wanna come to Miami because you're playing that stop And so, you know, it was the reality of, okay, having to deal with this in somewhat of an isolation, you know. And so it's like, okay. Like, what do I do? Like, how do I recreate that feeling of belonging, you know. And so that was That was a tough part is dealing with the isolation of that. You know, for some guys, and, you know, depending on, you know, what that support staff around you looks like, whether it's, you know, family and friends, you know, if there's a realization like, oh, guys take that moment granted as well until you realize in that moment, like, wait a minute. It's like, shoot. Like, I don't have anybody to call. Like, you know, because all your buddies are at work, and you feel like you're not a part of this thing. And so it's a little bit different. It was a little bit different for sure. On a scale of like life events, like going to Auburn, graduating, getting married, being a dad, getting drafted number two overall. Where's the the dopamine effect of, like, getting drafted, being there, like, where where's that at? Okay. I would be politically correct. But because I'm transparent. I just believe that for me, that comes behind my kids. You know, marriage was in there too because I think that's a societal success. Right? Like, when you're able to do that, like, there's some success tied to that. That means you've kinda done ends right and you've found that person. But, you know, there was no feeling like having my kids, like, first time seeing them, and it's kinda like this is me. Like, this is a version of me good, bad, and indifferent. So, you know, both times for that, that was pretty cool. And then the draft in marriage, like those three things, you know, Auburn University, that was kinda like a thing that I appreciated but I also worked my tail off to get there. Same thing with the draft, but it was the draft was the realization of this is the thing that I've always kinda envisioned what's better? Hearing your name called at the draft and walking up the stairs. Or once your Ronnie Brown in the league. Right? Because, like, it's different. Like, yeah, you're a first round pick, but, like, like, you didn't start your first game. Right? Yeah. Great. So, like, once you became, like, Miami dolphins, Ronnie Brown. Like, what's better? That and people screaming your name or hearing your name called a draft? I don't know because I've never done sports like, for the accolades. Right? Like, I always done it because of the joy, but running out of that tunnel, you know, and I think solidifying myself where my teammates can depend on me, right, knowing that I'm accountable. That to me was that was great. You know, the draft is more, you know, luckily I had great teammates. Right? And that's more of an individual thing because you walk across the stage, but putting those pads on on Sundays and Mondays and now Thursdays and all these things going to battle with you know, and I don't like to say battle because I don't wanna, you know, take away from people who really do that. But putting that stuff on with that task of we need to go out here and try to win and, you know, having that relationship that that's what I miss. Like, if I'm missing, I don't miss getting hit. I don't miss being in the locker room. Like, because my friends all my relationships are still from, you know, locker rooms, right, like the majority of them. So I still have that same type of structure, but having that goal in mind going through the off season and then going out here and trying to, you know, get this thing done. There's no feeling like that. And that's why it's so hard for so many guys to, you know, supplement or replace that, like, that part of it. Yeah. Something that I talk a lot about when I'm when I'm talking with guys about their transition is, two things. Like, one, no. I can't recreate that, like, being on the plane for a road trip or doing those dinners or being in the locked group. I was like, but you have to recreate that for yourself when you're retired, whether that's you know, you link up with that group of guys and you're working out, you link up with that group of guys you're golfing, you link up with that group of guys and you just talk shit, like whatever it is. You have to create that. No. It will never be the same as hearing seventy thousand fans scream for you, but Also, like, they weren't screaming for, like, Ronnie Brown, the man. Like, they were screaming for Ronnie Brown they're running back on their team. So, like, who screams for you on the daily basis? Hopefully yourself, hopefully the people in your circle. Like, that's also a thing, and that usually, like, like blows guys minds because because it's hard to separate those things. Like, you don't go to bed every night in your Jersey and it, like, attaches to your skin and, like, no. Like, you can take it off and you can still be that person. Like, you didn't die, but it's very hard when that athlete self dies, and you don't actually have, like, Like, most people don't go out and, like, put their and I don't mean this in, like, a morbid way, but it's, like, it I think anyone who's gone through the transition understands that it's, like, a death. Like, you go through the phases of mourning, you go through all these things, these feelings, this like resentment, anger, bargaining, sadness, all these things. But, like, nobody puts a jersey in a coffin and buries it and, like, says a blessing over their career that I know of. If someone does that, please contact me because I will support you at the next one. But nobody really does that. So closure is really difficult whether you choose to walk away. Unfortunately, you get injured and and the the walk away is forced, like, whatever it is, people don't really do that. And so teaching guys to find their tribe, find their cheerleaders, like, be that person is way easier said than done because they, like, don't see the the synergy there. Yeah. And that's harder for for the majority of guys. I'm sure there's, you know, a few that transition well and don't really have any, you know, issues. But for the most part, because you don't get to determine when that end comes, you know, or it was kind of forced due to some injuries or something. And so, you know, the transition of that is the hard part, the minimal part of that to deal with because in your mind is I've always wanted to do this and then you're doing it and then it's taken away whether, you know, by decision or by someone else's decision. And so having to deal with the reality of that, it's a challenge, you know, and so how do you recreate that environment or that feeling and understanding your value like you said, as an individual, not as a football player, like, because who you are isn't, but what you did. Right? Like, what you did, there's a different there's difference in the two of those. Right? And so, you can't have your whole being be caught up in what you did. And it's it's difficult, you know, and unless you have, you know, something in place, like for me, kids and, you know, life, wife, you know, and then even another career, which, you know, that's helped with the transition, but even still in those moments, there are times where you missed that that bond, that relationship, you know, and have sent some sense of something's missing. And trying to find that purpose beyond sport. I think even people, you know, you mentioned whether you get injured or the decision was made for some by someone else. I I personally, through my own experiences of working with guys, say that even the guys that are like ready. They're like, this season, I'm retiring. I'm gonna go up on the podium. I'm gonna save my farewell speech. I'm gonna do the whole thing. I have a job lined up. I've got a family. Like, even those guys, they're not ready. Like, I don't care how ready you think you are Like, I always use, like, I'm a big example person. So, like, I always feel like I have permission to use them when I'm highlighting them in a great light. Like, just in touch, for example. Epic, human being, husband, father, Super Bowl winner, whatever. He decided, like, I'm gonna retire. He went to Wharton and got, you know, his business degree. I think it was Warton. Don't misspoke me. I think as Warton, you know, got his MBA, works at Goldman Sachs, like, does all these things. That's amazing. He's super successful, happy, whatever. But that doesn't mean you're ready to not go to MetLife on a Sunday or go to Quest Diagnostics and go to training every day of the week with your people, like, I don't think it I don't think just because you have the things lined up doesn't make you ready to transition. And I think that's something that people don't really talking up about. Like, they talk about the guys who are like, oh, god. I'm so depressed. I don't know what to do all day. Like, I don't know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but also, like, Sometimes it's guys who, like, look like they have it all together, who are still sitting at home at night being like, but, like, the roads hurt, though. Like, you know, that drago's meal at, you know, the superdome. Like, that's that's the jam. Like, I think it's I think that's also a process is like understanding that there's, like, room for everyone in the the morning transition space, like, you don't get to not come to the party because, like, you decided to retire and I broke my leg. Like, there's no room for everyone at the table. Yeah. And it looks different for everyone too. That's that's the other part of it. Like, it's trying to prepare someone for that, which you know, we're all different. So what success looks like a successful transition looks like to me may be different from Adrian. And so trying to find that, but also having people around you to encourage to have the courage to look for that. Right? Like, to not just say, okay. Well, I'm not gonna do anything. Like, so having people around you to encourage you to say, hey, Melissa, throw some stuff at the wall and see what sticks Like, this is an opportunity for you to see what you like, what you don't like beyond, you know, what you did. And so, you know, I think sometimes that's a challenge and sometimes a lot of us need a push to to get that courage or be encouraged. Definitely. Okay. So with ten years in the league, that's a long time. What if you had to say what your your biggest dues, like, you did these things. You're super glad you did them. Do this if you go play in the NFL. What are the what are the dos? One is be, like, and it's kinda cliche. Be where your feet are. Right? Like, because a lot of times we try to figure out what's next or, you know, like, we try to speed things up, and make things happen. It's just being in the moment and being present. Right? Like, I think that's the biggest part of it. And in every facet of that, you know, when I'm talking about, the professional part of it, like creating a routine, or schedule a structure around yourself, how to help yourself be successful. From the financial part of it, from the agency part of it. Like, being involved, being okay with asking questions, trying to learn more You know, I think that's the biggest part is being present, man, and being involved in decisions that are related to you and your career. And I think that's the that's the part where most guys, you know, we fail at it because we trust people, and sometimes to a fault to do things on our behalf where it's, you know, it impacts, you know, what things may look like. And so, you know, not being afraid to ask those questions and having people around you you trust, and you can be comfortable with having those conversations with. Yeah. Okay. So be present, ask the questions about things that pertain to you so you can be knowledgeable. What else? You know, and pursue education. Like, there's other things, you know, I always heard, like, back in the day it was you know, you're not thinking about retirement. Like, you just got it's all ball. It's you gotta stay focused on this. Whereas, you know, this thing's too hard to just put all your time into it. Like, you need an escape. And so, you know, seeing who you are beyond, you know, the uniform. Seeing what those other interests are, trying to align with, you know, business people pursuing different things in the off season. That's one of the things I wish I had done more of and just not knowing saying, okay, man, I wish I would have, you know, pursued some business courses while I was playing. You know, and there were some things that I did do, but you know, doing it more on scale. And, you know, I think for me, it's pursuing that inner nerd. Like, there I enjoy learning and I enjoy information wish I would have been, you know, more active on that stuff. But in my mind, it was like, you just focus on football and staying in it as long as you can and being the best at it that you can. While you can. And so, you know, I think trying to encourage guys to to do things like that to where, you know, it's not detrimental when it's football time, it's football time, but when it's not, you know, allow yourself to evolve in in different facets. Yeah. So with the don't miss out on the the off season opportunities, when did you start pursuing things, whether it was from the league, the PA, your own networking, like, at what point in your career where you're like, okay, this all season, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna participate in this program. Like, when did that kick in? Towards the end, you know, and I didn't. That's why I said I didn't do enough of that. And I wish I would have, and it was just learning, right, two thousand and seven when I tore my ACL, you know, being involved, you know, that's kinda transitioned into what I do now. But you know, I pursued an opportunity and started a community bank. But, in terms of some of the things that the the league offers, One of the things that detrimental to us, I think, as players, is the more successful we are, the less we do some of those things. Because we just feel like you don't need them. Right? Like, if I'm successful, I'm making Provo, I'm doing all these things. I have this, you know, financial security. You don't even think about But what am I gonna do, you know, with my time when I'm done? No matter how financially stable you are, it's well, what else am I gonna do? And so I didn't think about that stuff. I wasn't wired to think about that stuff, and it was kinda, like, not as evident as it is now, where I think guys are better prepared for that transition because they're trying to control it a little bit more. And I don't know if it was tied to the memo stuff with the concussions and guys are like, okay, and the amount of money that's being, you know, paid out. It's like, okay. Well, I can determine more when I'm gonna retire and what that looks like. And you know, I think the teams and player development guys are more. They're equipping guys better for that transition in terms of getting them involved in different organizations or opportunities. And so, you know, it wasn't as much, I think, previously. And so just trying to you know, encourage guys for that. Like, you know, I wish I would have done more of that. You know, and I did do the, you know, I did the media broadcasting, but it was, like I said, towards the end. It wasn't early on to kinda keep throwing things at it. And I wanna encourage guys to do that earlier, in their I think that's so important. Like, I tried I think you made a great point. Right? Like, guys who don't look like they need to participate in extracurriculars. Like, you still should do it because it just gives you more tools in your tool belt for later. And also I think like learning what you don't like is as if not more important than what you do like. So when you start going on this quest of, like, who am I? Like, what do I really like? If you do something, you're like, I hated that. I never wanna do that again, versus doing something. You're like, oh, I love that. Let me try another one. I think those are such crucial stepping stones. Because you found your way into a new career, which I would love for you to explain what brought you there. But you in that, you do a ton of mentorship. For this younger generation. Do you feel like that has evolved more now than when you played? I do. Because I think guys are more interested in doing things beyond football now or their respective sports. Being involved in business opportunities, I think trying to be a lot more business savvy whether that's entrepreneurial or you know, being involved with this the broadcasting or the podcast stuff now. And so I think guys are a little bit more ambitious, off the field and off the court and you know, being better at that stuff. So I I do think it's gotten a lot better. The mentorship, it's important because you know, a lot of times young men like myself, you don't know what you don't know. Right? And so, what good is me acquiring the information if I'm not willing to share And so I believe Louter for those in the back. Yeah. And so I believe in, you know, paying it forward. That's what we always say, but you have to be active on that. And so my goal is to share the information that I've learned both good and bad with the younger generation. And hopefully, they don't run into the same hurdles. Of, you know, whether it's choosing the wrong people or being around the wrong people or not pursuing opportunities. Like, I think all of that information helps because it goes back to, like I said, you just don't know what you don't know. And I don't count it as mistakes. I call it missteps because if you don't know, you can't say it was a mistake, you know. And so having people around you that are willing to help you. I think that's the importance of having parenting. Right? Like, they've seen things through a lens and they wanna try help you avoid it, but sometimes you you do us experience certain things, but they can help navigate you through that. And so know, it's not that I'm saying, hey, man, let me tell you how to do this. It's let me give you the information. So when you do choose to do this, you can be aware of the outcome before you make that decision. Because so many guys before you have either made that mistake, or we have done that thing. You know, and it goes to the old saying there's nothing new under the sun. Right? And so, you know, it's just saying, okay, if I can equip you with information or if you can acquire the information to give you a better chance to give you an advantage at knowing the outcome, why would you not want that? I agree, and I'm I'm still confused all the time why certain mistakes are made on repeat. Like, some of it you have to learn yourself. Right? Like, I could tell you the stove is really hot and you're like, no. No. I got it. I got it. You're like, I'm like, no, but the stove is really hot. Like, don't put your hand on. You're like, oh, I got it. It's fine. You your hand on. You're like, why do you say anything? And I'm like, so the three times I told you that it was hot, you shouldn't touch it. You just cool. I see that in the sports world all the time, whether it's a bad business decision, trusting someone you shouldn't, investing in something you shouldn't. God forbid buying something you shouldn't. Some people just have to do it themself. But with what you do now and advising others, and you can I would love to know at what point you've decided to take the step you're on now for what you do for a living, but I also wanna know, like, did you ever make the really bad choice and get burned while you played? Yeah. You know, and I think that's where advice comes from. Right? Like, you share the good and the bad. And so A big part of it is the communication. Right? Like, as the elders, as the, I guess, the o g's, thinking of it as offering game, we have to be willing to share those stories. And, unfortunately, it creates some sense of vulnerability because a lot of times you don't wanna acknowledge man, this person got got me, or he took advantage of me. And so you don't wanna share those things. But what good is if you don't prevent him from or dim or he or she from doing it to someone else, then you're just kinda allowing that to keep going. And so, we have to be willing, you know, as elders and elders to share those things, you know, with the younger generation. But then for myself, it's just looking at my experience, my lack of knowledge, lack of understanding when it came to dealing with money, how to have money. I never had any money. I left school. I had, you know, hundred and eighty seven dollars in my Regions account, So then I get drafted number two, pig. And so things change. I'm from a small town. I get drafted to to Miami. And so That's a totally different world and I've experienced. And so for so many guys, it's that, and it's just not knowing. And so I operated out of fear a lot of times. And so now I was like, okay, I as I became the older guy in the locker room, I saw similarities in younger guys. And I was like, man, I would love to help those guys. I would love to help these guys navigate even beyond that now. Like, it's happening so much earlier through you know, high school and NIL with college that, you know, it's great opportunities, but the other reality of it is it's exposing these families, these young men at earlier ages to things that they just don't know. You know, and yeah. And so, you know, that was you know, what kinda drew me into that part of it and, you know, for me, it was learning the financial stuff of it, like, you know, and and going into it and saying, this is knowledge that you know, if I acquire and whether I'm a professional at it or not, like, it helps me be better. Right? And so it just goes back to that saying of what good is information and knowledge if you're not willing to share it. And so, just being willing to teach you know, the younger generation or educate them and empower them. So when they do make decision, just like, hey, man, this is some of the dumb stuff that I did. You know, wearing the ten thousand dollar earrings and you lose one at practice, or you leave it in a, a rental car. Or for me, you know, having a hundred thousand dollar necklace, and it's like, wait a minute. Like, what was the point of that? Is that really for me or is that for everyone else to think more of me And so being secure in who you are knowing the admin, if I have the money, you don't have to show them that you have the money. Now if it's genuine like for these things and then there's an affection for it, and it's just what you like. That's great. But a lot of times it's like we do things for the wrong reasons, you know, and there's some insecurities there and a lot of it's based off of too how we grow up and, you know, our experience with money or our, you know, understanding of money. And so just trying to figure out where those things come from. And I think the more we have conversations about it, the quicker we come to the realization of, okay, man. Like, I don't need to do this stuff or, you know, I can do it in moderation or, you know, I cannot do it at all depending on what your personality is and that different for everyone, you know. And so just understanding that, like, what is your personality and having confidence in you being you? And that's the big part of it. It's like, man, don't get caught in a world of, you know, where you should do this people expect you to do this. You're in the locker room where other guys are, like, don't get caught in that. Like, continue to be you. And, you know, navigate how you navigate, and and and be comfortable in being yourself. Yeah. I think three things come to me off of that story and anecdote. Like, one, like, the number one rule in life, let alone, football, business, whatever, is CIA. Right? And I met I met some rookies this past summer during OTs that didn't know what that meant. And I was like, alright, gents. Let me break it down for you. Best coverage you'll ever need in the game C YA. Cover your ass. And they were like, oh, and I was like, let's talk about why this is important. Like, from a real perspective, like, in all aspects of life, let's talk about this. And I think part of that has to do with knowing yourself and protecting yourself from what who you really are versus who someone thinks you should be. Right? Like, Oh, I I can't wear those shoes because I'm a first year on draft pick. I'm like, what does that mean? Like, I don't I don't know what that means. Like, oh, I can't I can't drive that car because I'm a first year on draft pick. And I'm like, okay. Well, if you want your headstone to read was a first round draft pick, by all means, answer every statement in question forever with but I'm a first round draft pick. Otherwise, like, let's think about that a little bit further. But to your point as well, like, you don't know what you don't know. Right? Like, I had a guy driving around in the car with an engagement ring. And I was like, I don't really wanna know why this is in the car, but like, okay. And I'm like, well, that's insured. Right? And he was like, no. And I was like, Okay. First email of the day. Let's link you up with the insurance agent so we can ensure this diamond ring you just bought. And all of those things come swirling around my mind when you say that. So for instance, what was your vice? Were you the car guy that you guy, the jewelry guy, the Hookabar guy, like, what was your vice? Everyone has a vice so don't say you don't have one. I didn't really have a thing that I really got into. Right? You know, but for me, it was just hanging with the guys. You know, and it was usually in a place That could be an expensive vice. Well, yeah. And it wasn't, like, I didn't care about like, going to the regular club because, you know, with that, the crowd, right? Like, you get in a section, you pay for a section, and all of a sudden, there's a million other people in section. You're com uncomfortable. You can't go to the restroom because it takes twenty minutes. And then so that was never, you know, while you you participate in some of that stuff, that wasn't I wasn't that interested in that. You know, I go occasionally because there's, you know, events that you go to. But it's just chilling with the guys and usually an establishment that was a little, different. Let's just say that in terms of people didn't always have on all their clothes. And so, you know, I I think just for the and it was more because it was a relaxing vibe, especially here in Atlanta. You know, it's a relaxing vibe. It was the thing that everybody did around that time, you know, and you could hear the music from me. I'd go get a CD back when the CDs or the thing you get a playlist. And so it was an easier just able to chill with the guys. Y'all sit. Y'all talk. Y'all chop it up. You can, you know, and so that was it for me. You know, I participate. Like I said, I bought the hundred thousand dollar necklace, which I was like, okay, why did you do this? Like, you know what I mean? After a while, Do you still have? No. I've gotten rid of it. Like, I don't even really wear jewelry as much. I was gonna say, I don't really ever see you, like, blinged out like that. But I was like So, you know, and so, you know, I got into a point where I liked a couple watches, but then after I bought, like, two or three watches, I was like, alright, like, this is getting out of hand. So I only have, like, two now. And so, you know, but it's the realization too that, you know, I didn't need that stuff, you know, and just doing it in the moment without that guidance and direction, you know, I had to learn and I had to touch the stove for myself and say, wait a minute. Like, this isn't me. Like, so, alright. I'm gonna stop doing these things. But, you know, unfortunately, I had to learn, and I I I did. Like, I wasted money and I tell guys, man, I'm not telling you because you shouldn't do it. It's just the impact of doing it. Right? Like, and luckily, you know, financially, I was able to do those things, and I was able to learn you know, without a bunch of kickback. But at the same time, it's just like it didn't do anything for me, you know, and it may be different for everyone, but it's you know, it's just finding that as an individual. Like, what is that for you? I think those are two really important points. You said, one, I was financially able to do it without getting like totally burnt, right? And that's a big thing because a lot of times people are like, oh, well, but so and so just bought a new car. I'm like, so and so been in the league twelve years and made a promo. Like, he spent one check. Like, you, second year undrafted free agent, Like, please don't spend every dollar in your bank account to because so and so did it. Like, let's not keeping up with the I understand keeping up with the benjamins, but, like, y'all you not both benjamins. Like, that's not a thing. And the other thing you said is that, you know, you realized those decisions later didn't really do anything. You didn't have that guidance. When you were in the league, did you have, like, a financial advisor or a money manager? Yeah. Yeah. I did. Okay. So do you have a positive experience with your financial advisor? Yeah. It was great. Like, we had a great relationship. It just wasn't, you know, as I've gotten older, you know, it was more of a I wish I would have known more. You know, and I think that's difficult. Like, I think that's relational. Right? We're all different. You have a hundred clients, you know, what is this client's wants and needs. Right? For me, it's that need for education. And so I just wanted more. So but it was a positive experience. I just look at it from the view too of being a former player and being on the other side, I just feel like I can do more from a perspective of Well, I had just didn't think about this stuff. You know what I'm saying now that I think about it of going through it and saying, okay, like, hey, man, think about this. Like, you're not thinking about this. Think maybe think about this, you know. And so just being able to give it from, you know, just the applied education, meaning experience. Right? Like, it's a lot different to tell someone from a place of experience versus is what you think of what you've read or what you've learned from someone. Hundred percent. And so it's a little bit different. So when did you decide to dive in to what you're doing now. Was this post retirement? Was this you started dabbling a little bit where like, did we wade in the pool or you head dove after? Yeah. I well, when I first got drafted, I realized, like, that was a scary moment for me. Like I told you, leaving school with a hundred and eighty seven dollars an hour of a sudden, I have you know, a lot of money and people's expectations changed of me too. Like, right? Like, that made me uncomfortable. So I started getting phone calls from you know, family and people and opportunities and business opportunities. And I'm like, man, I've never dealt with this stuff. Yeah. The Bank of Brown. Yeah. I heard I heard about that the bank account. And so, you know, you look at that and it's like, okay. How do you educate yourself on this stuff? Yeah. You can ask questions, but, you know, the best best education in my opinion, is the education you pursue. Right? Because it's important to you. And so for me in o seven, when I started when I told my ACL, and then I got involved in me and a group of guys, you know, started a community bank. That was the catalyst for me because it was the exposure to say, wait a minute. Like, this isn't this isn't information I can't learn. It's just I've never had access and exposure to it. And so that really motivated me because I'm like, hey, I wanna learn this stuff. And then you know, doing that along with other experiences with former teammates that had gotten burned and had bad experiences with their advisors. I felt like I could make a difference in that space and say, hey, man, I wanna help people from a place of purity, you know, and just guidance and direction from you know, guys that just don't know and being able to talk to them and talk them through certain situations, and getting them to think about life after. So I kinda started pursuing it a little bit waiting in the pool a little bit, because I wanted to make sure that, you know, I acquired the knowledge, but also when I'm giving somebody advice, is from an experience perspective. And so I was like, you know, I've always been cautious because if I wanna give advice, I wanna be able to be valid. Right? Have used it. Essentially. Yeah. And so, yeah, so that was that was kinda how that process started. When did you start pursuing, like, certifications and further education. So my last year in the league, I kinda had asked questions up until that point. Like, what does it look like? What if I were to pursue this, profession. And so after I graduate, I mean, after I finished, I graduated, after I finished you know, my last year and everything. I did. He graduated from the NFL. He it was a good go. Thank you very much. And we'll see you on the other side. It was cool while it lasted alright. I'm on to the next thing for you, and I kinda knew it was year ten for me as a running back, but then also the opportunities were limited. Right? Like, I didn't play a lot my last year. And so I knew that was pretty much it, and I wasn't trying to hang on just for extra years. And so, spent a year or two kinda pursuing that and kind of figuring out what that pad looked like. And then so about a year or two later, I started, the whole certifications and thing, you know, which was a challenge because I've been out of school for a long time. Yeah. Like thirteen, fourteen years. And so trying to learn you know, recalibrate myself to get in study mode, you know, for a six hour exam. I've never taken a six hour exam before. And so That was a challenge. I started over, I think, about three or four times when I was trying to figure out, okay, writing notes and all of these things and trying to do the memorization. So It was an interesting process. Yeah. So what are your official certs now? Yeah. So I'm I have a series seven and sixty six and life accident and health insurance licenses. You know, and I, you know, for compliance reasons, I kinda stay away from you know, the title of what I do. Because I've never wanted to get construed with solicitation or, you know, for sure. Marketing myself. So Definitely. No. I love that, but you've made a very successful career for yourself helping the next generation of guys. Really learn to understand what what your money does, what you can do with it, what it actually means. Other than just being commas and zeros in a bank account. And additionally, then also compiling that with your experience as an athlete and what they might experience as an athlete. And I think that that's something that one is, like, fairly uncommon. Like, I don't think there's a ton of guys doing what you do who also did what you did, like as a career. I mean, maybe like a chunk, right? But it's not like super common. You said it. I didn't. Right. I I mean, I don't I mean, I don't think so. Right? Like, I know, like, there's maybe guys who play college ball, but I don't think there's a million people out here doing what you do profession. Obviously, if anyone wants to look you up on social media, please do that. But, like, what you're doing in this space is not necessarily being done by people with your resume. Let's put it that way. And so I think to that point, it comes with a bit of, I don't wanna say sparkle because, like, it's not really sparkle, but it's like, you know, you you trekked through the mud and did it. And are out on the other side, and you're helping those who are currently trekking through the mud to maybe do it in a less aggressive pathway. Right. Yeah. Let's just, like, I guess the cool thing for the younger generation is, started from the bottom. Right? Like, I really started from the bottom and, you know, I've been able to work my way up. And so it it feels good too. I appreciate it, but then even with that, like, being able to give advice from a place of experience. You know, and it's just that. It's advice. I'm not saying, hey, do it this way, do it my way. It's just saying, hey, you're gonna do it. These are so many things to potentially look out for. Yeah. I don't think that every and it's kind of like you said, right? Like, what's the point of having the knowledge and the experience? Where you could make it easier on someone else and watching them go and fall and do it the hard way. I think that that's not necessarily required. So that being said, when you transitioned into the space you are now, what would you say is your most rewarding. What what do you think you'd say was your most rewarding lesson from the league? And your most appreciated reward that you're working on through transition. I think from the most rewarding part about the league is the experience. Right? Like so many so few people get that opportunity. You know, and I appreciate that with every moment, every fiber of my being. Because, you know, I don't take that for granted. Right? And there was a lot of hard work that had to be put in, but also, you know, just to have that experience. You know, and I feel like, you know, I did it fairly well. You know, obviously, when I look at my career and I think potential of ability, yeah, I mean, I feel like I would have loved to have more yards and you know, touchdowns and all of those things where I felt like I was capable of doing that. But I feel like, you know, I got out of it as much as I could with the opportunities and the situations. You know, but then now the thing that I'm most proud of is that transition, right, like, as family man, as a dad, as a husband, you know, and as a professional, you know, having it moving in purpose of trying to pay it forward. That's the thing that motivates me to get up every day and having higher purpose in that, knowing that, hey, man, like, you know, it's my goal to share that information with other individuals, about my experiences and how hopefully they can apply it to themselves and make themselves better and to where they can have that higher level of success of whatever that is, you know, whether that's professional sports or whatever as transitioning to business individuals. And so, you know, that's that's the rewarding part is looking at where I am now and where I wanna be, but also, you know, how far I've come. You know, I do appreciate that and don't take it for granted and don't take anyone for granted who's been a part of this journey so far. I think that's awesome. And it it very much is authentic, I think, to your your story and yourself. Like, you are very I hate being like, they're so humble. Because, like, lots of people are, like, I'm so humbled. And it's like, but it's, like, you I'll say yours is just very authentic. Like, you are very much Everything you say is accurate to who you are, how you walk. And I think that's can be rare and is very valuable. With how far you've come and where you are now. Here's a very important question. What is something on your twenty twenty four bucket list? Oh, bucket list. And it does not have to be, like, big and philosophical. Like, it could just be something simple. But what is on the Ronnie Brown bucket list? I think, usually, I I am pretty conservative. So, I mean, I just wanna be better in that in every aspect of my life. Like, that's you know, physically mentally, professionally, you know, whether it's health wise, financially, all of those things, I wanna, you know, my goal is to be one percent better every day. And I know it seems kinda boring too. But that's it. Like, my goal is to be my own hero tomorrow. Like, I wanna aspire to be the person I would like to be, or I would like to follow. Right? And so I know I'm a long way from that. And so, you know, that's the goal is to to be my own hero at some point, which I don't feel like I'll ever get there. But, you know, keep chasing that. Do you put a plan together for when you wanna be better, like, whether it's business, physical, whatever. Like, do you give yourself, like, a playbook for those things, or do you just kinda, like, wing it? Yeah. I just started doing that this past year. And so I'm evolving in that area, whether that's, you know, like, reading. Coaching is like, I need to know. Like, is there a plan of execution? Yeah. So, yeah, I've actually started pursuing you know, I reached out to two individuals that I think highly of. One of my biggest crutches that I think I've always used is, you know, I've been scared to ask for help. You know, I don't know if it was tied to rejection. I've never had a mentor, and so I actually actively, you know, just a few days ago, reached out to two guys that I I think highly of and ask for mentorship. And then, beyond that, you know, starting pursuing you know, places of growth, whether that's, you know, knowledge and a lot of that's on myself as well, you know, and just how do I physically be better? Like, I need to get in the gym. That's one of my, you know, goals is to get better in that area. And then also just, you know, like, personally, I've stopped, you know, I don't drink alcohol, you know, and so starting to do better with the diet. And so taking baby steps, to where it's just not one big task, but actively pursuing different things. So any advice you have, I'm willing to, you know, take it. And that's You know, that's the thing that I I approach life with too. Like, everyone knows something that I don't. And so if you can give me some information that that'll be helpful, that I can apply, like, I'm willing to listen. I am coachable. That's the one thing that I do for you. That's all I ask. I'm all about having someone coachable. We can always talk offline about your personal playbook but I I do think that that's that's really important. Right? I think, like, people, especially high achieving athletes, Like, you just said. Right? Like, it's about taking baby steps, not trying to, like, bite off a chunk. And I think, like, two of the biggest missteps, if you will, are, one, like, not setting the steps for goals. And then two, like, thinking that everything has to be, like, level five out of five for improvement. Like, if I ask you, like, well, how dedicated are you to that on a scale of one to five? Like, most athletes are trained to be like five. I have five committed to that all the way. And then at the first sign that they didn't quite reach the goal they wanted, they're so tempted to be like, like, I don't really like that. Maybe I'll pick a different goal. And I'm like, well, it's not about picking a different goal. It's like, you try to take twelve steps. And, like, you just needed to take one so that you could check off the box. And I think that that is something that high achievers in general struggle with. But, you know, you saying like, oh, I take a small step towards this goal and a small step towards this goal and a small step here, like, that's really how you do. That's the whole point of the one percent better. If I needed you to be ninety nine percent better, like, I mean, I got a whole list of the whole list of stuff you can do for me, if you're gonna go for ninety nine percent tomorrow, like, let me borrow you real quick. So, you know, I think that's really the most important So, you know, with that being said, I wish you all the one percent a day success for all of your goals for next year. Any exciting projects we can look forward to keeping our eyes on? I don't know. I have at the moment, I don't have anything. Working on a few things, just just personal branding, right, like rebranding myself from the athlete to the business professional, and seeing what that looks like. You know, which is a, you know, I I think I get excited about that, and my growth from that perspective I don't know. Beyond that, I I haven't given it much thought or that one percent. I'm trying not to do the I just need to do the ninety nine now. Yeah. Yeah. It's brewing. It's there somewhere. Yeah. So that's that's number one for now. I love that. Well, I hope that you and your family have an absolutely incredible holiday season, a very healthy blessed bright start to the new year. And I truly thank you for your time and your candor. There's one of your minions. I think waiting for you. So, yes. But no, I I truly am grateful because I think that helping people share their stories even if it helps one other person make a connection with you, reach something for themselves that they're striving for. Like, that really what it's all about. And so it's certainly a pleasure to know you, to talk to you, and to learn from you. So I really appreciate you. No. I appreciate it. I appreciate you sharing your platform. And, you know, if I had a message for everyone is, man, we're all the work in progress. Just give yourself a little grace, and that's something that, you know, I've had to learn, and still continually to learn. I think that is some wise wise advice, my friend. Well, thank you so much again, and I will see you in the new year.